Gemini Archiving and WARC

[Dr. Otto Skrzyk]

On Thu, Sep 03, 2020 at 11:54:08PM -0400, Caranatar wrote:
> This seems like an incredibly cynical and myopic take. It's also
> expected that everything on the internet will track you, will be
> constantly expanded for the purpose of commercialization instead of user
> experience, etc.... Yet Gemini purposefully rejects those notions in
> favor of something better. The idea that the same shouldn't apply here
> is odd.
> 
> -caranatar


Calling it myopic is a bit harsh and probably misses a point that you
put forward as a support - one of the selling points of gemini is that
it rejects complexity and some of the concerns of a more commercialized
internet. One of those concerns is the potential for misuse of the
information or infrastructure beyond the intent of the content creator
or host. That or the right to retract that information. 

You'll have to forgive me seeing some irony that someone with a
riseup.net email address would speak against someone putting forth advice
about taking caution in what you post on the internet. Riseup exists
largely in part because others share this "cynical and myopic take."

Regardless, the issues being brought up here seem to circle around
content control and archival ethics and less about the protocol. 
> 
> 
> Tom writes:
> 
> > On Wed, 02 Sep 2020 01:23:22 +0000
> > acdw <acdw at acdw.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2020-09-01 (Tuesday) at 23:43, Charles E. Lehner
> >> <cel at celehner.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Hi Gemini List,
> >> > 
> >> > Has anyone thought about, or implemented, archiving of Gemini
> >> > content/traffic?
> >> > 
> >> > WARC (Web ARChive)¹ is a standard format used for web archiving. It 
> >> > uses text headers for metadata like in HTTP and email. It looks to
> >> > me like WARC could be adapted for Gemini. The WARC spec supports
> >> > multiple URI schemes, although it doesn't specify any other than
> >> > http/https, ftp, and dns². Bespoke formats could also be used, of
> >> > course, or just downloading files wget-style, but using a standard
> >> > format could allow for interop with "the WARC ecosystem"³.
> >> > 
> >> > Archive Team⁴ has also worked on archiving non-HTTP protocols like
> >> > FTP⁵ and Gopher⁶.
> >> > 
> >> > I think there is an opportunity for people to maintain high-quality 
> >> > archives of Gemini content, like what the Internet Archive⁷ and 
> >> > archive.today⁸ do for the HTTP(S) Web. Now is a good time to start, 
> >> > while many of the original Gemini hosts⁹ are still online.
> >> > 
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Charles E. Lehner
> >> > 
> >> > ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_ARChive
> >> > ² 
> >> > https://iipc.github.io/warc-specifications/specifications/warc-format/warc-1.1/#ftp-scheme
> >> > ³ https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=The_WARC_Ecosystem
> >> > ⁴ https://www.archiveteam.org/
> >> >   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive_Team
> >> > ⁵ https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=FTP
> >> > ⁶ https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Gopher
> >> > ⁷ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive
> >> >   https://archive.org/
> >> > ⁸ https://archive.today
> >> >   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today
> >> > ⁹ gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/servers/
> >> >  
> >> 
> >> I personally think this is a great idea, but I know some might not be
> >> so on-board with it. I'm thinking of solderpunk's post (in their
> >> gopherhole, actually):
> >> gopher://zaibatsu.circumlunar.space:70/0/~solderpunk/phlog/the-individual-archivist-and-ghosts-of-gophers-past.txt
> >> 
> >> So is there a way to opt-out of archiving for publishers? Some in the
> >> community might want to know about it, though I personally am of the
> >> opinion that if you've published it, it's now the property of the
> >> commons.
> >> 
> >
> > Ounce you publish something to the internet there is no retracting it.
> > This is one of the first things I was taught the first time I used the
> > net. Alongside never using your real name on the net unless your
> > publishing something.
> 
> 
> -- 
> sent from emacs using mu4e

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      Dr . Otto Skrzyk
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